I had to check third party websites, in this case, Nulon's to find out the transmission's dry fill capacity is actually 6.5L. Nevertheless, I still proceed to change the Toyota ATF WS 08886-02305 in my Toyota Vios that already clocked at 80,0001KM just to verify if changing the ATF will improve the car’s performance. It really is nothing special. . I helped him replace a drive axle. So I generally stick with the actual stuff. If the vehicle is under warranty then it would be advisable to use OEM as no one really wants to fight with the dealer in the event of a transmission issue. I don't agree with the sealed for life mantra so I get this done every 100k. Bear in mind that, when you drop the pan to replace the filter, you drain / fill around 2.8 litres. I did check Valvoline Maxlife ATF but the specs indicate viscosity is outside the specs of the Toyota WS. It comes in a convenient quart bottle. Napa carries Idemitsu. So it's gonna be similar to any other modern low viscosity, low zinc ATF .... Edit: Penrite LV ATF is 5.7 cST @100, so it's bang on within range for the Toyota WS. Use Toyota approved “Toyota Genuine Motor Oil” or equivalent to satisfy the following grade and viscosity. 's ransom of $600 . https://www.repco.com.au/en/brands/penrite-oil/penrite-atf-lv-multivehicle-automatic-transmission-fluid-4l/p/A9614765. Just chiming in here as had dramas with a so called Transmission expert in Adelaide who put Transmax in my 100ser Cruiser, filled it completely the wrong way and also pinched an O ring re assembling it. As you all know, I’ve not been happy with many of their practices, particularly cheating employees out of wages, and such things, without going into too many details. Modern car owners have to understand car tech and materials tech is changing all the time and requires very specific fluid technology and it's simply not worth penny pinching and getting it wrong. I have a 2005 LX470. I had to take it to Toyota who saidA NEVER use anything but WS in these boxesB fill it correctly through the bottom and not the top holeC Turn it on and get it to the right temperature and recheck levels.Expert did none of this and it ended up costing me over $500 to have oil flushed completely and correct oil in it.He refunded me his cost after a big blowup Only funny thing was I sold it not long after and the buyer came to see me and told me he did the tranny oil. You either get excellent results and save money or lose quite a bit of money, but get a real education. Anyone know about Phoenix Lubricants for transmission? While this law prevents voiding the overall warranty for a vehicle, a dealer can clearly deny a specific claim. No. In other words, if you put some transmission fluid in your car that does not meet specification the dealer can deny a claim if this thing fails. Yes here's Liquimoly Dexron VI-Mercon LV spec ATF -https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5Qt-Auto-Trans-Fluid-ATF-LIQUI-MOLY-Fully-Synthetic-for-Dexron-VI-Mercon-LV/233507670613and note the coverage-, "Dexron VI, Ford Mercon LV, Aisin Warner AW-1, 83 22 0 142 516, 83 22 2-152 426, 83 22 2-289 720, 83 22 2-305 396, 83 22 2-305 397, 83 22 2-355 599, M-1375.4, Fiat 9.55550-AV5, JWS 3324 Aisin Warner, Land Rover TYK 500050, Honda ATF 3.1, ATF DW-1, Hyundai SP-IV, Mazda ATF FZ, MB 236.12, MB 236.14, Mitsubishi Dia Queen ATF-PA, Nissan AT-Matic S Fluid, Toyota WS, VW G 055 005, VW G 055 540, VW G 060 162", WRT to the Mazda FZ coverage for Skyactiv Drive transmissions there was the usual question about let sleeping dogs lie with filled for life or when to change and Rowell and Searle (the unclutchables) in Adelaide said 40k intervals-https://www.mazdas247.com/forum/index.php?threads/should-i-change-transmission-fluid-in-skyactiv-cars.123867722/and note poster ruthrj comment-, "I did mine at 51k for my 2013 and the viscosity of the fluid was slightly below spec per Blackstone. For late model, 2001+ models Toyota, Lexus and Scion used two types of transmission fluids for their automatic and hybrid trans-axles, namely T-IV (Pronounced tee-four) and WS (short for World Standard). It's shifting smoother. So if you use it and the transmission dies the next day, you are out of luck. It can't be that hard to meet that standard given most ATF's have the exact same content inside. Although the 'Additional Service' regime for that halves the 6yr/90k to 3yrs/45k one criteria being at least 50% urban stop start driving at 32 deg C or higher. If the mechanic is doing a full flush of the system, how many litres would be needed? . Given every multi ATF that meets type T-IV specifications also happens to meet dexIII there cant be major differences viscosity or additive wise. If you're in Adelaide I'd recommend The Unclutchables for the good oil on transmissions as they've been around a long time and know their stuff although there will be others- https://www.unclutchables.com.au/. Ask your mechanic, he should know. In their product info sheet they state that it WILL NOT void vechele warranty and if you or your customer have any transmission issues while using it to please contact them. The out sourced transmission warranty repair specialists recommended "Phoenix PX Transmatic LV" which is a local Australian company located here in Victoria , Dandenong though it does seem as much as Toyota want to not admit it seems you can use any specified fully synthetic WS (World Standard) oil which brings down the price to a reasonable $30-$50 AUS and if you can find a reputable transmission specialist they should charge you between $150 and $250 for a full service which includes the oil filter kit and oil change instead of Toyota. in some cases even more expensive . Equally true solutions - to use the genuine Type T-IV fluid or to use any ATF meets JWS 3309 specification - depending on the circumstances. Correct fluid level is indicated by having unsteady drips coming out from drain hole which has the straw fully screwed in, providing the fluid temperature is within range. Refer WEBER STATE UNIVERSITYATTC 4860 – National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) Standards and Transmission Fluids. Please let me know your opinion and any advice would be greatly appreciated. I made it a point to tell him that we must use the proper fluid, as specified by the manual. The first order from 'Toyota of North Miami Parts' was completely beat to hell, the Toyota box was wrapped in plastic to keep it together and the spouts were folded into the containers and many of them were leaking. I called them and they assured me it is compatable with T-lV and WS fluid. Is it worth the risk? When the transmission reaches a specified temperature they open the plug, when it slowly drips it's full. Tranny Fluid - Toyota ATF WS - Thanks message - (AMSOIL makes a Toyota WS equivalent fluid which I know many run including ... counter guy for a quart of "Toyota Genuine Differential gear oil LT or equivalent 75W-85 GL-5" and a quart of "Toyota Genuine Transfer gear oil LF or equivalent SAE 75W" as specified in the owner's manual. What do I care about trans oil coolant and brake fluid changes etc and whether they're done or not? Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. Vaoline MAX LIFE meets Toyota spec. We know that the dealers will lie just to make money. I think I"ll ask him to use the Penrite one and ask whether he would be happy to supply or I can supply for him and ask how many litres he needs? Penrite full synthetic LV~60,000ks since this was put in my A750F, absolutely no issues. It's not a difficult process, instead of having a dipstick they have an overflow plug. APPLICATIONS Suggestions. Genuine Toyota ATF WS (World Standard) Specifically formulated by Toyota for Toyota vehicles Genuine Toyota Automatic Transmission Fluid is an advanced ATF designed by Toyota R&D specifically for Toyota automatic transmissions: Tested and approved by Toyota. . Anyone have the inside scoop on who is the OEM manufacturer of Toyota WS ATF? I've seen VOA's of ATF WS. Anybody use Amsoil ATF. When dropping the pan I would strongly recommend replacing the gasket with an OEM part, costs about $30 at your local Toyota service centre. If you do not flush how you know if it is safe to mix OEM with aftermarket, remember that aftermarket fluid may not be licensed and you cannot compare the two specifications as the aftermarket only publish 6 or 8 out of a possible 24 to 36 specifications. It must be pointed out that some manufactures do not recommend a flush. I’m amazed that all the car manufacturers have all these design fluids and there are no well know alternatives. From then on, I think I'd be happy to do the drain and refill every few years to change out 40% or so. Do you have in writing from Valvoline that they will cover damage? If they hand out bad advice willy-nilly to those that call, hungry lawyers will descend on them like buzzards on roadkill. I called them and they assured me it is compatable with T-lV and WS fluid. Specifically formulated for use in Toyota sealed automatic transmissions. I have always used the expensive Toyota trans fluid both T-lV and WS. Some food for thought: one does not mix different brands of coolant unless the system is completely flushed and flushing a cooling system is unlikely to cause an issue. Go for it! When I flush mine doing the 1l out / 1l in cycle, after the 8th litre the fluid starts to come out clean out. I get mine from this warehouse in Sydney. When check fluid level at the end, Make sure oil temperature is within 40-45C, or 10X F, with infrared temperature gun pointing at the oil pan. “Toyota Genuine Motor Oil” is used in your Toyota vehicle. Idiot had no idea on how to even fill the box and did it from the top instead of the bottom. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUTOMATIC-TRANSMISSION-FLUID-WS-4L-TIN-TOYOTA-GENUINE-PARTS-/252193340723?hash=item3ab7e4fd33:g:VWgAAOSwDNdVyt7x. I have always used the expensive Toyota trans fluid both T-lV and WS. I’m not trying to argue I was trying to find out info on some other type of transmission fluid. Toyota WS ATF is good stuff for those vehicles that require it. I deal with a manufacturer who sells their branded engine oil made by Caltex, they will tell me its similar to one of their existing oils but the specification is slightly different (even though they sell oils that meet their standard already). It lists as a replacement for Toyota WS. Duh! KV100 (cST) is 5.91, which is in the range quoted by Sir Fredoops. :(. But proving that those aftermarket parts and fluids CAUSED engine and/or transmission problems was no piece of cake. Was 2003 the first year Toyota WS ATF fluid was installed at factory? Right now you can get ATF transmission oil just for $30 from Autobarn and Supercheap will price match for you as well. Well note that PX Technician Series which includes Toyota WS also includes Mazda FZ specification-http://www.phoenixlubricants.com.au/13web/pdf/PX%20Technician%20Series%20Transmatic%20LV%20PDS.pdfand that goes in the 'sealed for life' Mazda Skyactiv 6 speed transmission assuming it needs any-https://mazda.oemdtc.com/725/atf-fz-required-for-skyactiv-drive-6-speed-automatic-transaxle-2012-2016-mazdawhich raises the question as to whether the trans fluid can be sucked out of there and renewed? . Using Penrite ATF LV on both our Aurions with no issues at all. http://www.gllubricants.com/index.php?c=product&a=show&id=267&pid=78&product_id=108. Over the 100,000km cycle, it's likely the hardest working transmission will be in the big 4WDs. They use Penrite products – for this, Penrite Multivehicle fully synthetic ATF LV. Found all this out when looking to buy an XC series, the latter ones with the 80 series box have the special height tube in the drain plug for refilling, same as the boxes they use in Audis. I did check Valvoline Maxlife ATF but the specs indicate viscosity is outside the specs of the Toyota WS. the transmission seems to be working fine so I'm not sure if it's a big deal or not but I'm still trying to figure out why a Toyota dealership would put an off brand fluid in. Recommended viscosity: SAE 0W-20 SAE 0W-20 is the best choice for good fuel economy and good starting in cold weather. Didn’t have to mess with any pump. Obviously Penrite don't show up on US forums. My vehicles are 10 years old and I am sure oil technology has improved. Disconnected the return line and put it in a 1l measuring jug, then turned the engine on. Always check owner’s manual for proper application. @cwang, in a 2015 errata Toyota recommends adding 200ml through the refill hole *after* doing all the level check procedure. A friend has also done so with their Aurion. Amsoil Signature Series Fuel-Efficient Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid. making it basically a guessing game informed by other people's experiences. FAST 'N FREE. But, as far as I can tell, its flashpoint and viscosity properties are similar to the Valvoline Maxlife, and also to Toyota WS – see MSDSs: - http://penriteoil.com.au/assets/msds/ATF%20LV%20Rev%200.3%201016.pdf, - http://content.valvoline.com/pdf/maxlife_atf.pdf, - http://www.kd5byb.net/Tundra/ATF%20WS%20MSDS1.pdf. I'd probably trust Penrite's range more, though when I look at CVT fluid for a future fluid change in my Subaru, there is a large range in brookfield viscosity between different brands claiming to be suitable (Penrite's is on the high side), and Subaru don't publish the specs of their fluid (to my knowledge), making it basically a guessing game informed by other people's experiences. Two of my vehicles had between 300k and 370k and I only ever done a drain and fill using an aftermarket licensed aft that complied with the owner’s manual. ... like amsoil or equivalent. It’s a win-win! 2 scenarios: - The sediment was only friction material left to keep clutch working in a worn transmission. Takes around 10-12 seconds to take 1l out, then stopped the engine and put 1l of fresh fluid in through the refill hole. Same viscosity, same additive pack, even the same formulation of the additive pack. I have never held Valvoline in very high regard for any replacement fluids. I'm part of the initial group, and although WS isn't the best fluid there is out there, it works and if I change it often, it'll work fine for my needs. I will probably default to buying the dealers crap again. No Toyota T-IV in 03, 04 was first for WS. I have suspicions about fluids that meet too many specs, especially very particular ones. So if you don’t like their guidelines, just change the fluid and filter every 30K, and sleep well at night. This stuff has been on my car for 60,000km! making that statement saves Now at 210,000km and 16 years and still shifts flawlessly, by all accounts putting this in should have caused all sorts of doom and gloom if you believe the fud on the interwebs. Why is this? 46.000km and 29.000km respectively and another drain / refill later both are shifting really well, no slipping. Pretty simple to refill just need to get the temp right before closing it up. I pretty much have my mind set on Penrite ATF LV and very timely too as it is on sale now! It is that simple. Safest and easiest way is to drain it from the pan, without even taking the pan off, then refill, drive 10min, then repeat. This is an excellent video: https://youtu.be/XE_pi2yyLn8, Apparently the WS is just Toyota's branding of the oil made by Idemitsu. Beck/Arnley is a trademark owned by Federal-Mogul LLC or one or more of its subsidiaries in one or more countries. No sale at Repco, Supercheap or Autobarn now. Tranny banged and grumbled all the way from there to Brisbane. Share to: Can ATF 4 replace Atf 3? Best motor oil and transmission fluid money can buy.I am independent AMSOIL dealer. Mobil 3324, has the right specs and plenty of people (Bobs forums) seem to think it is the real deal (MSDS for Toyota list Mobil). I am due for a ATF fluid exchange and am considering using this as replacement and doing changes every 100k mi. Anyone had any experience with Phoenix transmission fluid? 30K, and they assured me it is compatable with T-lV and.! 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